All about the messy world of being an artist or creative pro. We're Zach and Jeff, and instead of actually working, we're here chatting about the eternal struggle between what we WANT to work on versus what we THINK we should be working on. So, join us as we navigate the ups and downs of the creator economy and ponder whether it's possible to follow your passion without selling out. So, take a break from what you should be doing, and strap in! We're stoked to have you along for the ride.